CNN Confirmed: Biden is VP

Well, you can forget about hearing it first via a text message. The old media has scooped the story of Biden being the VP. Apparently, they have known about it since around 8 pm est, when the secret service detail showed up at Biden's house. A 'blackout' of the news held for a couple of hours, and then CNN was able to confirm that Obama asked Biden.

That aside, here's the report on the wire. It's not all that great, the pick framed that "an Obama administration would be inexperienced on foreign policy" and Biden will help out on that end. The short bio that they give for Biden reads like a mortuary note:

Biden abandoned his own White House run after a poor showing in Iowa's first-in-the-nation caucuses. He also ran for the 1988 Democratic presidential nomination but dropped out after charges of plagiarism in a stump speech.

The 65-year-old was first elected to the Senate in 1972. Shortly afterwards, his first wife and daughter were killed in a car accident. He considered resigning, but decided to continue with his political career.

Biden is currently serving out his sixth term, making him Delaware's longest-serving senator.

Biden is married and has three children. He received his undergraduate degree from the University of Delaware and got a law degree from Syracuse.

In 1988, Biden suffered an aneurysm and nearly died but has recovered fully.

One of Biden's grandfathers was a Pennsylvania state senator, according to the Almanac of American Politics.

One question I have. How does this confront the main question of the McCain ads: "Is he ready to lead?"

I've always thought that was a pretty low barrier to be crossed, given the ones asking the question are the same who gave us a Bush for 8 years as President.

Let's not fool ourselves that Biden in any way reinforces the message of Obama of change. The choice of Biden as a VP is not a sympatico choice in the way that Gore was for Clinton. Nor is it generational. This choice acknowledges the Obama campaigns need to go out on a ledge here and jump to a new place. They realize that their strategy wasn't working, and are pivoting to something different.

There is a huge hesitancy among the public to embrace Obama. McCain's favorables are at least as high as Obama's, even in some states where Obama leads. Obama trails the generic match-up by 10 percent. You should read Jay Cost for a realistic understanding of this contest.

A month ago, this race was in a very different place. John McCain realized he had a losing strategy, and drastically shifted to another one, and has been gaining on Obama ever since. This week, its become clear to everyone that the Obama strategy wasn't working, and the choice of Biden is a recognition of the current landscape. Most likely, it's not the desired one by Obama, but its probably as good a counter as we could expect given the environment, and McCain's recent moves.

McCain would have loved to just jive it up with the press and get monkey love, but it didn't work like it did in 2000. Obama would have loved to ride above it all while the media sang his praises, but it didn't work like it did against Clinton in the primaries.

There are complications in this choice; many. And a lot to overcome. But one thing it does well is recognize the 2008 GE landscape. Biden can fight a partisan war. He will engage the Republicans on the turf.

I sorta get a chuckle of the traditional media's response to the McCain-Obama match-up. You'll recall the articles that would herald it as a contest that would be 'above reproach' and one that would rise above the Bush and Clinton 'scorched earth' campaigns of the past few decades. Well, it's actually going to be the most dirty and ugly campaign of the last 80 years. I think there's a very real shot of the turnout being lower in '08 than it was in '04 among those who watch a lot of television. And given the demographic turnout model that would favor Obama, that's probably not a bad thing either.

Update [2008-8-23 2:35:24 by Jerome Armstrong]: Now the NYT's, its official. The framing of the choice is not beneficial:

It reflected a critical strategic choice by Mr. Obama: To go with a running-mate who could reassure voters about gaps in his resume, rather than to pick someone who could deliver a state or reinforce Mr. Obama’s message of change.

...Mr. Obama’s choice of Mr. Biden suggested some of the weaknesses the Obama campaign is trying to address at a time when at a time when national polls suggest that his race with Senator John McCain, the presumptive Republican nominee, is tightening.

But it gets worse:
Mr. Biden is known for being both talkative and prone to making the kind of statements that get him in trouble. In 2007, when he was competing for Mr. Obama for the presidential nomination, he declared that Mr. Obama was “not yet ready” for the presidency, a line certain to show up in Republican attack ads.
Oh gawd.

McCain on Obama: Ready to Lead?

Biden on Obama: Not yet Ready.

A friggen silver platter.

And closes with this:

The choice by Mr. Obama in some ways mirrors the choice by Mr. Bush of Dick Cheney as his running mate in 2000; at 65, it appears unlikely that Mr. Biden would be in a position to run for president, should Mr. Obama win and serve two terms.
Second off, Biden would be 73 which is what McCain is 1 year away from now, and in the first place, that Bush comparison is not a beneficial one.

You know, there's a part of this choice that's a Friday night news dump, as in, 'if I gotta make a choice here's one' and with the thought that the VP choice is quickly overshadowed by the convention. Though the partisan-attack lack of Obama is the real gap this fills now, my guess is that the Obama campaign is going to frame this as a governing ticket; but from the early reports, they have some work to do.



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Re: CNN Confirmed: Biden is VP (2.00 / 2)

Biden can fight a partisan war. He will engage the Republicans on the turf.

Obama/Biden! Let's kick some ass!


Welcome to a landslide WITH white working class, latinos, women and holding on sweeties!!!
by spacemanspiff on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:07:51 AM EST

Re: CNN Confirmed: Biden is VP (2.00 / 2)

Biden can fight a partisan war. He will engage the Republicans on the turf.

Obama/Biden! Let's kick some GOP ass!

(accidently posted to the above trolls fascist comment)


Welcome to a landslide WITH white working class, latinos, women and holding on sweeties!!!
by spacemanspiff on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:09:31 AM EST

Re: CNN Confirmed: Biden is VP (2.00 / 1)

Biden can fight a partisan war. He will engage the Republicans on the turf.

Biden's Iraq War vote makes it virtually impossible for him to criticize John McCain on foreign policy without sounding like an incredible hypocrite.  

The Republicans will just say, "Joe Biden was for the Iraq War before he was against it."  And the public will think, "Oh great, another flip-flopping political opportunist."

If Obama wanted to choose someone with national security bona fides he should have gone with Sen. Bob Graham or Sen. Jack Reed.  At least they would have reinforced his "judgment" message.  I'm afraid Obama just missed a great opportunity to reinforce his core messages of change and jugment.  


by Will Graham on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:16:40 AM EST

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. Amongst the persuable voters- the ones not already in Obama's column, that's simply not true. Name which subset of those voters this will be a detriment?


by bruh3 on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:33:57 AM EST
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How does that argue in favor of Hillary Clinton then?


I'm voting for Saxby Chambliss!
by Jess81 on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:36:22 AM EST
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Huh? He mentioned Sen. Bob Graham or Sen. Jack Reed. Why did you bring up Clinton?


Your attempt to change the subject to "the issues" is irrelevant.
by itsthemedia on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 05:18:17 AM EST
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The circumstances of the election have changed, too.. Georgia was not an issue even three weeks ago...

So, there is more to it than just campaigns not working the way they want them to...


It profits a PUMA nothing to give their soul for the whole world... but for McCain? --Sir Thomas More (if he were here now)
by LordMike on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:18:12 AM EST

Yes, I think the Georgian situation (2.00 / 1)

may have created an emphasis on Foreign Policy that was unneeded when we were simply to leave Iraq.


by Neef on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:27:18 AM EST
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Are you injecting rubbing alcohol or something?


by Jeter on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:20:54 AM EST

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To my mind Biden was Obama's least harmful choice after Clinton.

I'm surprised to learn Obama never considered Clinton, I thought he was more politically pragmatic. But the signal comes through loud and clear, Barack Obama does not think he needs to earn the support of her voters.

We'll see, Obama's message is a bit muddled given his choice. Maybe the Senator from MBNA can help convince young and independent voters that Obama is not beholden to special interests, or the old politics of DC. One good thing for those who are sceptical of Obama's message, at least Biden is a partisan Democrat.


by souvarine on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:22:52 AM EST

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do we really know she wasn't considered?  all we know is that she asn't VETTED.  what was there to vet?  she's been in he public eye for 16 freaking years!  what what they ask?  "sen clinton, have you killed a hobo since the primaries ended?  no, good (i stole this line from another person who i can't remember.  sorry).  did u flash yourself in a girls gone wildvideo?  no?  good.  did bill?  you have to check?  i'll wait.  he didn't, good.  can you spell potato?  that's everything."


an electoral landslide with everyone except the hanging on, hillary is 44, palin is 45, sweeties.
by Doug Tuttle on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:31:22 AM EST
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It's also possible, as some have speculated, that the Clintons were not very eager to turn everything over. If they'd been the Pres candidate, they could have gotten away with it, but as VP, they're beholden to more direct, personal scrutiny.


"Hey, check it out. You just had yourself a glue OD. So you're learning another lesson. Don't do too much glue, or your night sucks."
by vcalzone on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:36:19 AM EST
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Man you guys amaze me.  

First, maybe Clinton told Obama she didn't want the VP. Until the whole story of this campaign comes out, we don't know anything.  Maybe Clinton had right of first refusal on VP choice (and I suspect Obama's first choice was not Biden.  I am sure Obama would have loved to have picked  Sebelius, but we know how that would have gone over with the Clinton supporters).

But more importantly, picking Clinton was never ever gonna happen.  Picking Clinton would have been seen by just about everyone as Obama not being his "own candidate" and having to go grovel to the Clintons.  Obama's supporters would have been livid.  

Like it or not, right or not, many of the folks that have supported Obama since Idaho have strong views about Clinton and her actions during the primaries (as well as still having questions about her current/future motivations).  Picking Clinton would have been like rubbing salt in their wounds.  And yes, I know that Clinton supporters have sore wounds also.  I think this pick helps Obama while not rubbing either of the 18 million voters they both got the wrong way too much.

In any event, the Democratic ticket is   Obama/Biden. I think is it a pretty good one.  


Late Night Pundit
by dham340 on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:53:18 AM EST
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I think we'd have gotten over any sores. Frankly, my skepticism of Hillary was always that she wouldn't take the VP position because she'd feel it was a move backwards. So having her take the spot would have made her much more palatable for that spot in my eyes. Perverse? Yes. Paradoxical? Yes. But on the other hand, shut up.


"Hey, check it out. You just had yourself a glue OD. So you're learning another lesson. Don't do too much glue, or your night sucks."
by vcalzone on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 03:03:48 AM EST
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When a report that she was not considered gets wide play on all the networks, Harold Wolfson reinforces it, and the Obama campaign says nothing in response, yeah, we really know she was not considered.

It's unfortunate, she has worked harder than any other surrogate to help Obama win this election, and she will continue to make the case for him in the strongest terms she can, but he keeps shooting himself in the foot with this grudge against the Clintons. I have this terrifying premonition of another Democrat barely losing a sure thing election against a crappy opponent just because he was convinced he had to run against the Clinton legacy. Republicans win because they refuse to eat their own, they venerate their biggest loser in recent history, Barry Goldwater. Some Democrats think they can win by trashing their most successful politician in 50 years.


by souvarine on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:44:28 AM EST
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Why do you equate not wanting her to be his VP as "shooting himself in the foot" for a grudge.  That sort of assumes that he had an obligation to her, which he really didn't.

Let's make sure that our shared principles and values succeed this time.  Get out their and promote Obama and stop eating your own.


by tominstl on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 09:15:13 AM EST
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Actually, it's Clinton who is shooting herself in the foot (or as they say in the Olympics, committing unforced errors.)  

I don't know how she can have worked harder than any other surrogate to help Obama win -- Kennedy was working pretty hard before his illness, Senator Durbin and a number of others have been with him from the start.  She actually, as I recall, worked harder than any other Democrat to prevent Obama from winning by continuing to pursue the nomination long after there was any realistic hope of winning the nomination.  

And through her own surrogates she continues to undermine the party and its nominee. Carville is talking about her getting "respect" by being vetted for the VP slot.  But what would have been the point?  The extensive collection of video on Clinton trashing Obama over and over would be a dream for McCain's opposition research team, who could churn out a new ad of the VP nominee attacking the presidential nominee every week between now and the election.  

She had a choice in March between continuing an already-failed campaign, or dropping out, getting behind Obama, and positioning herself as a possible VP.  I really think she would have been a good choice if she had done what many commentators said she should do.  

Instead, she amassed an incredible debt that she is struggling to pay off, and dealt serious damage to both her own reputation and to the party's nominee.  She lost.  Move on.  Get over it.  


by Headlight on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 11:02:08 AM EST
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Like I said (2.00 / 1)

I would be skeptical of reports that he "never considered" Clinton, especially since it was said that he was considering her at times since June. The MSM, who I used to work for, loves creating drama, so I wouldn't put it past them, as a matter of fact, I'm willing to bet my life, that one dude out of like 100 said that he never considered her and they ran with it because it's dramatic and makes people watch.

I would guess instead that she either never wanted to be vetted, never wanted to be VP or said no.


The American people; they were for the war before they were against it.
by nrafter530 on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:33:08 AM EST
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He wouldn't need to vet her because he vetted her during the primaries.  Or do you think that he didn't do opposition research on her?


I'm voting for Saxby Chambliss!
by Jess81 on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:39:23 AM EST
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The whole vetting question was a red herring. The idea that Bill or Hillary Clinton, two of the most investigated people on the planet, and by Republicans no less, have some hidden issues is something that could only be believed by the most paranoid of Republicans.

Whether or not she was vetted is immaterial, the issue is that Obama never asked.


by souvarine on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:53:12 AM EST
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He gave Clinton supporters a gift (none / 0)

Assuming he is president for eight years, Biden will be pretty old and may choose not to run for president. He definitely wouldn't be immune to a primary challenge should Hillary or any other female choose to do so.

I was hoping for more of a risky, daring VP choice, but I realize I'm a lot more ready for change than a lot of American voters. Obama is doing what a lot of younger, transformative presidents have done, picked a stable veep. The VP doesn't do much in terms of setting an agenda but it can make people feel better about Obama who are skeptical.


by Lolis on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 07:59:32 AM EST
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Were you a fly on the wall at the conversation at Feinstein's?  How do you know the topic didn't come up then and there?


by Dreorg on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 12:12:08 PM EST
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Well, according to "two officials involved with the search" Hillary Clinton was "was never seriously considered." Whatever Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton discussed privately doesn't matter. Unlike Webb, Warner or Strickland it has never been reported that she took her name out of consideration, and as that AP report suggests she was willing to be vetted if Obama were serious about choosing her. It is clear now that despite Obama's statement that she would be on anyone's shortlist, she was not on his.


by souvarine on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 01:53:52 PM EST
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I'm not sure that any VP pick (none / 0)

addresses "is he ready to lead".

In any case, it's not a real question, more of a meme. If we were evaluating the leadership ability of our Presidential candidates, we'd be asking McCain also. We don't, because we really don't care.


by Neef on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:25:04 AM EST

Re: I'm not sure that any VP pick (none / 0)

I updated with the unfortunate answer.


by Jerome Armstrong on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:39:12 AM EST
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Oh...ouch (none / 0)

Unfortunately, it's pretty much impossible to put two Dems on a ticket who haven't trash talked each other.


by Neef on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:45:43 AM EST
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Re: Oh...ouch (none / 0)

plus, if McCain picks Romney he has a way worse problem. These kind of attacks are stupid, though. I find it hard to believe they have any impact as they disappear quickly and are forgotten.


by Lolis on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 08:00:52 AM EST
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Much ado about nothing (2.00 / 2)

I think this is one of the worst choices he could have made.  And to have such a huge folderol only to end up with a pedestrian pick makes him look silly, in my opinion.

Obama needed a race-chager.  Who could be less of a momentum changer than Biden.  This is a timid, insecure pick which reinforces the idea that he isn't ready himself to be president and totally undermines the theme of new politics.  What were they thinking?

AM I wrong in thinking that there are a lot of members of Congress tonight thinking--Joe Biden?  That gumflappin' Sunday morning TV hog?  This is hope and change?  What the f have we done?

And is there any other choice that would be more insulting to HRC and her millions of supporters?  She got 18 million votes, BIden got qbout 18, and he's the best choice?


by Thaddeus on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:27:57 AM EST

Re: Much ado about nothing (2.00 / 2)

VP is not the silver medal...

They don't work well together... that's more important than any other metric...


It profits a PUMA nothing to give their soul for the whole world... but for McCain? --Sir Thomas More (if he were here now)
by LordMike on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:33:47 AM EST
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Re: Much ado about nothing (2.00 / 1)

She can run in eight years. You guys should be glad he didn't pick a Democratic star like Schweitzer or Sebelius who would be a strong frontrunner in 8 years.


by Lolis on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 08:03:30 AM EST
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Re: Much ado about nothing (none / 0)

Actually, at 68 in 2016, Hillary would be seen as too old by many many voters.  She certainly isn't going to have MORE support when she is 8 years older than she has now, and probably much less.  Hillary realized this was her only chance to ever be president, which is why she fought so hard during the primaries.


by ProgressiveDL on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 01:07:55 PM EST
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It about picking a partner (none / 0)

not picking the runner up.

I want a executive branch that works as a team.
Not one made up of a collection of assets who won votes.

We have that already in the house and senate.


by holder on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 11:59:28 AM EST
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BIDEN/DODD/RICHARDSON/CLINTON/HAGEL/DASC HLE/CLARK/ETC/ETC/ETC IS TEH DEVIL!!!!!!!!!!!  DEY CANNOT BES THE VEEP!  ONLY BLAH BLAH BLAH CAN BES THE VEEP!!!!!!


an electoral landslide with everyone except the hanging on, hillary is 44, palin is 45, sweeties.
by Doug Tuttle on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:33:02 AM EST

Re: CNN Confirmed: Biden is VP (2.00 / 1)

I gotta think you're right. His young supporters understand that HE is the change. Most of us didn't respect him for being idealistic, we liked the pragmatism that accompanied it. Biden is about as rough and tumble as you can get in Washington, and he is uniquely qualified to tell McCain he's being an asshole.

But more importantly, this sends a message to all the people (yourself included) who were skeptical of change that he's not going to try anything crazy or undesirable. And that he really wants to get it done.

Meanwhile, we all get to watch the campaign turn into the "what'd Joe have to say about that" game. And that's very good for Obama, because it takes coverage away from him when things get hot.


"Hey, check it out. You just had yourself a glue OD. So you're learning another lesson. Don't do too much glue, or your night sucks."
by vcalzone on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:34:13 AM EST

Re: CNN Confirmed: Biden is VP (none / 0)

You're right, but its going to be a difficult transition I think, over the next week.


by Jerome Armstrong on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:41:22 AM EST
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I disagree. I think the convention provides a powerful way to message or market this. I also think that Obama's change message isn't destroy by having biden as VP. He can simply argue change doesn't mean ignoring people who have different opinons than his own. There is a positive way to spin this.


by bruh3 on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:47:11 AM EST
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here's the frame right here:

http://news.yahoo.com/story//ap/20080823 /ap_on_el_pr/cvn_veep_biden_profile

it dovetails into what obama has been saying of his vp choice all along


by bruh3 on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:51:11 AM EST
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Not necessarily. By naming so close to the convention, it limits the amount of framing that can be done.


"Hey, check it out. You just had yourself a glue OD. So you're learning another lesson. Don't do too much glue, or your night sucks."
by vcalzone on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 03:04:44 AM EST
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My guess was that Obama moved it close to the convention so that voter disappointment would be obscured by the convention bounce.


by souvarine on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 03:08:49 AM EST
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LOL, since when is that not the same thing these days? If watching the media mock Obama for "hope" didn't show you that all politics has to be the management of disappointment these days, I dunno what to tell ya!


"Hey, check it out. You just had yourself a glue OD. So you're learning another lesson. Don't do too much glue, or your night sucks."
by vcalzone on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 03:23:06 AM EST
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i guess wolf blitzer will have to start buying viagra again now that the dream ticket is no more.  


an electoral landslide with everyone except the hanging on, hillary is 44, palin is 45, sweeties.
by Doug Tuttle on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:37:20 AM EST

That's pretty funny (none / 0)

Ever since Hillary dropped out Jeralyn Merritt has been outraged by Waco!


by JJE on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:38:44 AM EST

Re: That's pretty funny (none / 0)

Yeah, I got whiplash from that too.


I'm voting for Saxby Chambliss!
by Jess81 on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:45:32 AM EST
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its a smart pick, (2.00 / 2)

even if your emotions are too jaded too see straight.

Jeez, this site is becoming a cut and paste board for redstate.


by IowaMike on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:39:03 AM EST

Re: CNN Confirmed: Biden is VP (2.00 / 5)

I disagree that Obama's picking Biden represents some change in strategy (and thought he was the most likely pick since May).  Biden, would you agree, is not particularly ideological?  In the realm of presidential contenders he's also something of a beta (the proof, he doesn't really have enemies, as all good alphas do).  

One can see the ticket as an exercise in generational balancing, or as a way to lessen anxieties about Obama's lack of foreign policy experience, but the reason this might work, I'll suggest, has nothing to do with age of resumes.

Obama is the idea guy.  Biden is the guy who knows what's possible.  This is the relationship of an architect to a foreman.  Different roles.  Few jealousies.  

A lot of Biden's role, I think, will just be about his affirming that Obama is the real deal, and he might be able to reassure voters who are now skeptical (eg. older voters, Catholics) because he is so plain spoken.

I get the sense that Biden genuinely likes and respects Obama, btw, and regards him as a first-class talent.  


by IncognitoErgoSum on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:42:25 AM EST

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Obama is winning Catholic and the overall Christian vote, but I think you're right. JFK had LBJ and Bush had Cheney (yuck). Americans just feel more comfortable with an older face to go along with a new one.


by Lolis on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 08:06:45 AM EST
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Edited (none / 0)

"[Older] Americans just feel more comfortable with an older face"


by ProgressiveDL on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 01:09:40 PM EST
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quick note.  most of the people obama considered would have a "he's not ready moment."  there's probably a richardson one, certainly a bayh, mccain's using the hillary ones, clark, basically everyone but sebelius, and kaine.


an electoral landslide with everyone except the hanging on, hillary is 44, palin is 45, sweeties.
by Doug Tuttle on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:42:43 AM EST

A friggen silver platter, indeed. (2.00 / 1)

"I think that I have a lifetime of experience that I will bring to the White House. I know Senator McCain has a lifetime of experience to the White House. And Senator Obama has a speech he gave in 2002."

Get off of it.  This would have been a problem with anyone who ran against him in the primary.


by erix on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:42:54 AM EST

Re: A friggen silver platter, indeed. (none / 0)

Also, if McCain (as reported) picks Romney this will all be a wash anyway.


by erix on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:45:46 AM EST
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Even worse (2.00 / 1)

McCain and Mittens have quite the history.

http://www.google.com/search?source=ig&a mp;hl=en&rlz=1G1GGLQ_ENUS241&=&a mp;q=mccain+romney+feud&btnG=Google+ Search


by Neef on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:51:46 AM EST
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Re: Even worse (none / 0)

My point exactly!  


by erix on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:56:34 AM EST
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Ugh (2.00 / 1)

I'm disappointed.


I proudly support Barack Obama for President!
by Zeitgeist9000 on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:45:59 AM EST

Re: Ugh (none / 0)

I'm not!


by hocuspocus on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 05:55:25 AM EST
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Re: Ugh (none / 0)

Surprise...surprise...


by applejackking on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 10:05:16 AM EST
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Re: CNN Confirmed: Biden is VP (1.00 / 2)

Joe Biden coddling up to Roberts is all I can think of. It made me ill. He's a cheeseball. Obama is fucking up.
Just waiting for the Kennedy/Nixon moment when you get McCain and Obama on a televised debate stage within 5 feet of one another and  the creepy old warhawk iconography begins  to sear it's way into the fickle mayfly that is the modern voter's brain.
If that moment doesn't kill Mccain's poll numbers, then we're in some trouble.
Please don't let this be a McGovern moment.
by Zorkon on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:47:56 AM EST

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Uprated to offset abusive hide rating. The post is abrasive, but is not content-free, and is not posted solely to abuse other users. It is trollish though, because of the childish name-calling and now the rating averages to troll.


Your attempt to change the subject to "the issues" is irrelevant.
by itsthemedia on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 05:42:25 AM EST
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well, you can forget about Pawlenty... (none / 0)

McCain will need someone who has the heft to parry with Biden - and not just at the VP debate.  McCain has to pick Romney and then he will have his own "consistency" issues.

Now we have to hold our breath for two months and hope that Biden does not make a killer gaffe.  But Biden will help make this election be about  McCain/Bush instead of only just about Obama.  They can finesse the "not ready to lead" rhetoric.  Biden can just say he was wrong and that the way the primary shook out, Obama proved his mettle (and metal).  

I buy some of your analysis but I don't see it reducing Democratic turnout.  Biden does not fire up the Republican base (see the David Brooks column).  But I do think you are right that a month ago, Obama would not have picked Biden.

For you to come to peace with Obama, you just have to accept that he is not a kick the Republicans in the balls type of Democrat.  It might not work but that's who he is.  You're going to get jabs, not haymakers.


Our Moment Is Now
by mboehm on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:48:10 AM EST

Re: well, you can forget about Pawlenty... (none / 0)

I think Biden is less of a liability as a VP candidate than as a Presidential candidate. Look at Cheney! You think he would have EVER gotten elected President? Hell no! But he worked for Bush and even boosted his profile.

Biden can make a crazy statement (within reason) and Obama can just say, "That's old Uncle Joe for ya! But pay attention, because he knows what he's talking about."


"Hey, check it out. You just had yourself a glue OD. So you're learning another lesson. Don't do too much glue, or your night sucks."
by vcalzone on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 03:08:18 AM EST
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Re: well, you can forget about Pawlenty... (none / 0)

Hope you are right about Pawlenty. I dunno if putting him on the ticket would be enough to win MN, but it would surely drive up R turnout and doom Franken just when he appears to be pulling even in the Senate race.


Your attempt to change the subject to "the issues" is irrelevant.
by itsthemedia on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 05:48:14 AM EST
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Re: CNN Confirmed: Biden is VP (2.00 / 4)

It's a very reasonable pick.  I think a lot of the concern here is being forced.


I'm voting for Saxby Chambliss!
by Jess81 on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:48:26 AM EST

I wonder how Barack is going to explain this to (2.00 / 1)

all the ardent Hillary supporters out there?  I've always figured that it wasn't going to be why he picked so-and-so, but that he would have to explain why he didn't pick Hillary Clinton.  Divisive, yes, but still, she's holding enough loyal members who are upset to royally screw him come November.  Biden, ok I'll go with it if it's him, but Biden still can't explain universal health care like Mrs. Clinton.  Foreign affairs?  If this gets to be a campaign about foreign affairs versus the economy, I'm afraid we're cooked.  Biden may have that "experience," perhaps more than Hillary, but how much more as perceived by the general voting public over say John McCain?  The latter has made gaffe after gaffe, but folks still amazingly enough look at him more on foreign affairs than Obama.


by johnny venom on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:48:26 AM EST

Oh gawd (2.00 / 2)

Biden's "not ready to lead" comments are 1% of similar things Hillary said, and, yet, I think it's safe to say you would be underplaying these comments and commending Obama on making a brave choice.

I'm OK with Biden; I would have been OK with Hillary; most importantly, I am OK with Obama.


Saxby Chambliss: Asshat
by mikeinsf on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:48:46 AM EST

Re: Oh gawd (none / 0)

No, that's a reason why she wasn't a good pick. I came down to wanting someone he didn't run against, Kaine, Reed, Daschle, or even Kerry.


by Jerome Armstrong on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:54:34 AM EST
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Re: Oh gawd (none / 0)

Great analysis of why Biden was picked, but I'm glad your VP choices weren't! Biden shuts both McCain and Lieberman up, and will make any McCain pick make the old guy look like Sancho Panchez. Obama/Biden rocks! I want to win this November.

Jersey, New York, Pennsylvania, Ohio, Missouri and Iowa are all out of play at this point, IMHO.Since last week, I couldn't say that. I think Biden plays real well in Florida and even Nevada.  But this is going to get ugly...


by Jeter on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 04:10:50 AM EST
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Re: CNN Confirmed: Biden is VP (2.00 / 4)

Jerome is concerned. What a surprise.

You do realize that, had Obama picked someone who could "deliver a state" or reinforce the "message of change," the traditional media would have led tonight with

"Obama's choice still leaves [an experience gap] or [foreign policy doubts] that the GOP will exploit, while reflecting [a cynical gamble that one state's electors will win him the election] or [a gamble that his change message won't alienate the base of older Democratic voters]."

It's a no-win. Obama's had too good a week, and McCain's had a terrible one. Going into the convention, the media is eager to cut him down a bit and even up the race, and would have done so no matter who he chose.


"This victory alone is not the change we seek -- it is only the chance for us to make that change." -- Nov. 4, 2008
by BobzCat on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:53:08 AM EST

Re: CNN Confirmed: Biden is VP (2.00 / 0)

Project your troll for concern elsewhere.


by Jerome Armstrong on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:55:56 AM EST
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Re: CNN Confirmed: Biden is VP (2.00 / 2)

Hey, it's OK, it's actually expected. When your choice isn't chosen, the first instinct is to cry out "No! You're wrong! That person's terrible! How could you? What a disaster!" It manifests itself as "concern" in the genteel parlance of the blog. It's happening all around this site tonight, and elsewhere, with varying degrees of dignity.

Emotional wounds heal, political ones, too. Everyone will feel better tomorrow, and by Thursday, we'll all be feeling fantastic, which is as it should be.


"This victory alone is not the change we seek -- it is only the chance for us to make that change." -- Nov. 4, 2008
by BobzCat on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 03:04:06 AM EST
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Re: CNN Confirmed: Biden is VP (none / 0)

"On a silver platter."

Be honest.  You had the same post ready for whomever was chosen if it wasn't Hillary.

I find intellectual honesty to be important when cruising for bloggers.


by XoFalconXo on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 03:05:48 AM EST

Re: CNN Confirmed: Biden is VP (none / 0)

You should work on getting a new template ready, I wasn't supporting Clinton for VP.


by Jerome Armstrong on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 03:32:26 AM EST
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Re: CNN Confirmed: Biden is VP (none / 0)

Well then, who did you think it should be?  The traditional media was going to have issues with it no matter who it was.

Bayh = appeasing the Hillary crowd
Sebelius = this is going to piss off the Hillary crowd
Kaine = Obama fails to shore up the "experience gap"


by XoFalconXo on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 03:48:30 AM EST
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Re: CNN Confirmed: Biden is VP (none / 0)

Well then, who did you think it should be?  The traditional media was going to have issues with it no matter who it was.

Bayh = appeasing the Hillary crowd
Sebelius = this is going to piss off the Hillary crowd
Kaine = Obama fails to shore up the "experience gap"

Theres just a certain level of self-righteous glee that is self-evident in your posts.


by XoFalconXo on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 03:49:29 AM EST
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Re: CNN Confirmed: Biden is VP (none / 0)

Jerome said that he predicted it might be Hillary, he never said he thought it SHOULD be.


"Hey, check it out. You just had yourself a glue OD. So you're learning another lesson. Don't do too much glue, or your night sucks."
by vcalzone on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 03:39:29 AM EST
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Re: CNN Confirmed: Biden is VP (none / 0)

Christ, just say we're going to lose and get it all out of your system.


by RandyMI on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 03:12:04 AM EST

Re: CNN Confirmed: Biden is VP (2.00 / 1)

Its too close to call, or have you not noticed?


by Jerome Armstrong on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 03:40:43 AM EST
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Uh, Jerome? (none / 0)

You're dinging Biden as a pick because of his words from earlier in the campaign, yet you've crusaded here for months that Hillary HAS to be the VP choice (well, actually the nominee but we'll l;et that one go) despite her MUCH more extensive and much more harsh words directed at Senator Obama. Nice.

BTW: In the unlikely event Obama loses and you post the a "I told you so," "Good," or "Hilary would have won" article which I KNOW is already idling on your hard drive, you'll be setting the movement back far further than an electoral defeat.


by Beomoose on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 03:14:40 AM EST

Re: Uh, Jerome? (none / 0)

I can't figure out one thing he has done for the ticket or the party since Edward (fortunately for us) dropped out. It's been a six-month rant without any suggestion as to what WE, meaning those of us blogging, can do to win. It's more suitable to the right wing of the blogosphere.


by RandyMI on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 03:33:00 AM EST
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Re: Uh, Jerome? (none / 0)

Well, my team got a nice win under our belt this past week in the CO 2nd race with Polis; then there are the two walkaway Senate races I've been working on since '05, Kerry & Harkin, and then leading Warners internet and tech operation, and then taking 4 more for the IE. That beside project managing an activist networking platform for a large union, and did I mention the Mayoral race in London or SBNation.com or Malaysia or Israel? I'm supposed to write another book too.

I love blogging about the Presidential race clean and open of any obligation, and am doing plenty of work to not have to answer to you, but I hope that helps your concern. I also hope Obama wins, but I'm not going to slide ice cream here pretending things I don't believe to be true.


by Jerome Armstrong on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 11:45:47 AM EST
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Re: Uh, Jerome? (2.00 / 1)

Where do you robots get the idea that I supported Clinton for VP, Do you just show up with talking points in tact?


by Jerome Armstrong on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 03:33:10 AM EST
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Obama Campaign confirmed it... (none / 0)

No more doubt, Obama's OWN website now confirms that it is Biden...



http://www.barackobama.com/index.php
by Obamaphile on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 03:16:53 AM EST

Re: CNN Confirmed: Biden is VP (none / 0)

I'm an HRC supporter too, but Biden was my second choice.  

And if the Jerome of late (dude . . . lay off the caffeine, perhaps?) hates it, then I love it!  

Elated here in PA!!  


by wavery2001 on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 03:32:50 AM EST

Re: CNN Confirmed: Biden is VP (none / 0)

1952 - Eisenhower knew that Nixon was an idiot, and Nixon knew how the general felt.

1960 - At the convention in LA, Lyndon Johnson's people put the word out to delegates that JFK was terminally ill. It's well documented that the two HATED each other.

1980 - Bush I accused Reagan of practicing Voodoo Economics. The Reagans and Bushes did not like each other at all.

This between Obama and Biden is nothing.


by RandyMI on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 04:12:02 AM EST

Re: CNN Confirmed: Biden is VP (none / 0)

What you are actually pointing toward was the strongest argument for Clinton as VP. But aside, we live in a new media age, much different.


by Jerome Armstrong on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 11:48:06 AM EST
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Re: CNN Confirmed: Biden is VP (none / 0)

McCain on Obama: Ready to Lead?

Biden on Obama: Not yet Ready.

A friggen silver platter.

Of course we've already seen the quotes from Clinton in this regard:

"I think you'll be able to imagine many things Senator McCain will be able to say," she said. "He's never been the president, but he will put forth his lifetime of experience. I will put forth my lifetime of experience. Senator Obama will put forth a speech he made in 2002."

It's not going to matter.


by dogooder on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 06:07:45 AM EST

What a Meltdown (none / 0)

Hopefully you will be able to come onboard and support the Democratic ticket.


by parahammer on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 06:11:07 AM EST

Re: CNN Confirmed: Biden is VP (2.00 / 1)

I hate to say this but this feels like a let down. Its an uninspiring pick.

I like Joe Biden, he's a good debater. He's a good Senator. He's a good man. But as a VP pick i'm left feeling underwhelmed, and feeling more relief that its not Bayh than excitement that its Biden.

Obama could have done a lot better.


by liberalj on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 06:53:17 AM EST

Re: CNN Confirmed: Biden is VP (none / 0)

It's a mart choice. Biden doesn't get up anyone's back and he can go now on the attack. Which is what he does best. He has a good personal story and I'm happy.

Obama/Biden.


Obama/Biden 08
by W126 on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 07:26:04 AM EST

Re: CNN Confirmed: Biden is VP (2.00 / 2)

Very bad choice - the GOP is laughing at us :( We have now divided our base; picked someone who emphasizes  & has spoken to Obama's already PERCEIVED flaws & are now in the MSM keeping the debate centered on foreign policy (an area the public PERCEIVES as a Democrat weakness) instead of the economy where we win the election without debate.  The GOP WANTS us to pick someone that accomplished those things & we just did all 3. Plus the lovely soundbites that Biden provides to back up the current campaign is just gravy on top for them.   WHY??? Why does the DNC do these things?


by jrsygrl on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 08:12:57 AM EST

Economy is key (none / 0)

We should be way ahead in places like Ohio where the economy really sucks.  McCain is a net negative on the economy.  Obama has been off message since he decided to go to Europe.  Its the stupid economy.


by bakho on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 08:28:48 AM EST
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Re: Economy is key (2.00 / 1)

I know - it's the economy stupid. And instead the DNC has let the GOP set the tone for the debate & kept it on foreign relations issues; influencing even the VP nomination.  God it is so frustrating to know that we played right into their hands.


by jrsygrl on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 09:30:38 AM EST
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Re: CNN Confirmed: Biden is VP (2.00 / 1)

This was the most uneventful VP choice in my fifty-five year lifetime.  No wonder the Obama-nauts teased the American media for several days.  The waiting tease was infinitely more interesting than the announcement itself.  

So utterly tepid was this choice that my own extended family of (now former) Democrats heard the news very early in the morning, yawned, and promptly went back to sleep.

Of course Joe Biden, seasoned, vetted because he himself has run for the presidency oftentimes before, is acceptable.  He has a great smile.  He has a fine foreign policy resume.

But beyond that, he brings nothing to the ticket.  Indeed, his foreign policy experience underscores Obama's profound lack of such experience.  And Obama's camp made the Iraq War Incursion Senate vote their most salient issue.  Biden's own acquiescence cancels out that issue.

And there are a goldmine of anti-Obama statements from Biden for the Republicans to choose from; most specifically and hurtfully, Biden's wonderfully acid comments on Obama's not being ready for prime-time foreign policy experience.

In the DNC's Howard Dean/Ted Kennedy/Nancy Pelosi wing of the party, who are now forever endeared to the United States news media, both groups of whom wanted the Clintons out with equal fervor, the Biden selection punctuates the fact that as far as the Democratic Party of 2008 is concerned, Clintonites need no longer apply.

Of course, with that punctuation comes grave danger.  Senator Clinton bested Senator Obama in the official popular vote.  Her eighteen-million vote total exceeded the number of any other candidate in presidential primaries in the whole of United States history.

In effect, the DNC shut down the process, just as the United States Supreme Court shut down the process in 2000.

This Obama-Biden ticket offers no overtures to the South.  And without Electoral College Southern state wins, no candidate in modern history can hope to get to the presidency.

Indeed, the selection mocks the South, of which Bill Clinton was a bona fide aspect.  Moreover, the Obama/Biden ticket is Chicago elite by way of Delaware elite.  Clearly, this New England choice was as much Caroline Kennedy's as it was Barack Obama's.

There is nothing there to capture the interests of the blue-collar working class rank-and-file--indeed the core of the Clinton vote, and the core of the Democratic base since FDR.

I now believe more than ever before that Obama will lose by an electoral vote landslide.  Virginia and Florida are both now gone, as is the rest of the South.  Ohio is now easily in the Republican column, and the hope of normally solid Red Indiana becoming at least in play is lost without Evan Bayh on the ticket.

Yes, Obama will be one of the great also-rans.  

The question now is what becomes of the Democratic Party.  In a year in which its victory should have been a slam-dunk, the Party trashed its own only twice elected President since FDR, and turned itself back into the strongly Left-leaning group of idelogues that had made droves of Americans run from it like the plague, from the late 1960s through the dawn of the 1990s.

But then came Bill Clinton, the best politician and the best President of my lifetime.  His administration was the Golden Age.  Neither Republicans nor the entire American news media could destroy him.  Neither Impeachment nor Right-Wing attacks could destroy his dazzling effect on the national and the world stage.

In the end, the Radical Left of the Democratic Party, in collusion with the anti-Clinton news media worked hand-in-hand to deliver the party to an unknown neophyte who really believes that the nice but very antiquated Joe Biden is an asset.

Strangely enough, however, the Clintons will be the stars of this Convention, in spite of the DNC coup d'etat.  They will remain the heart and soul of Democratic rank-and-file.

And Bill Clinton, we now all know, will be the last Democrat President for many years to come.


by lambros on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 08:43:53 AM EST

Your use of the McCarthy-ite term (none / 0)

"Democrat party" leads me to believe you are a troll of the most odious variety.  That your "entire family" is now republican (presumably because Clinton lost) is pathetic.  Go pee up a rope, PUMA windbag.


John McCain, maverick
by lojasmo on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 11:05:08 AM EST
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The contradictions here are endless (none / 0)

Which is exactly what one would expect from the source.

"And there are a goldmine of anti-Obama statements from Biden for the Republicans to choose from; most specifically and hurtfully, Biden's wonderfully acid comments on Obama's not being ready for prime-time foreign policy experience."

While Hillary of course kissed his ass the entire campaign!

"Of course, with that punctuation comes grave danger.  Senator Clinton bested Senator Obama in the official popular vote.  Her eighteen-million vote total exceeded the number of any other candidate in presidential primaries in the whole of United States history."

Yawn. Continue to fight the primary if you wish but the only official count showed Obama ahead in delegates which is all that matters. And you know very well that the only way you can show Hillary winning the popular vote is by a obscene twisting of reality.

"In effect, the DNC shut down the process, just as the United States Supreme Court shut down the process in 2000."

No, Florida and Michigan broke the rules and shut themselves out of the process.

"This Obama-Biden ticket offers no overtures to the South.  And without Electoral College Southern state wins, no candidate in modern history can hope to get to the presidency.

Indeed, the selection mocks the South, of which Bill Clinton was a bona fide aspect.  Moreover, the Obama/Biden ticket is Chicago elite by way of Delaware elite.  Clearly, this New England choice was as much Caroline Kennedy's as it was Barack Obama's."

Hyperbolic BS and a clear lack of understanding of the electoral college map.

"There is nothing there to capture the interests of the blue-collar working class rank-and-file--indeed the core of the Clinton vote, and the core of the Democratic base since FDR."

You obviously have no idea of who Joe Biden is and where he came from.

"I now believe more than ever before that Obama will lose by an electoral vote landslide."

If he loses it won't be by any greater than Bush. Neither of his wins were electoral landslides.

"Virginia and Florida are both now gone, as is the rest of the South.  Ohio is now easily in the Republican column, and the hope of normally solid Red Indiana becoming at least in play is lost without Evan Bayh on the ticket."

McCain has an average lead of about 1 point in Ohio. Obama polls better in Virginia (a tie) than any Democrat in two generations, including Bill Clinton. Bayh would be disqualified under the terms you set out regarding Iraq.

I have now become too bored to critique the rest of your nonsense.


by conspiracy on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 05:36:45 PM EST
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I disagree with (none / 0)

just about everything Jerome "Debbie Downer" Armstrong said.

There were a few good VP choices and Biden was one of them.


I voted for Hillary!
by deepee on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 08:58:48 AM EST

Re: CNN Confirmed: Biden is VP (none / 0)

at least Obama will get a bounce in Deleware...

Personally I'm not excited but it's a safe pick that doesn't uproot some pretty good red state senators who are early into their terms or about to displace Republicans.

Clark would have been great but life moves on with what we have.


!
by alex100 on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 09:32:44 AM EST

"When you run against someone..." (none / 0)

"...you tend to sell them short, especially when talking about them.  Just ask John McCain.  The difference is, I can admit when I'm wrong.  Barack is going to be an incredible president."

There, the walk-back, with a quick hit thrown in.


by Jay R on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 10:25:41 AM EST

Re: CNN Confirmed: Biden is VP (none / 0)

I'm watching "Morning Joe," where Biden is being hailed as an authentic guy who understands the problems of real Americans yet also gives Obama the Washington knowledge necessary for real change. It's a strange day when Joe Scarborough is framing like a Democrat, while Jerome Armstrong is...not doing that.


by slvn on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 10:40:42 AM EST

Re: CNN Confirmed: Biden is VP (none / 0)

Jerome hasn't let go of the primaries.  

He worked himself into a hatred for Obama and can't let it go (or maybe, admit he was wrong?)

If Obama wins the Presidency, I look for Jerome to start in on his "failed presidency" sometime around day 10.


by TL on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 11:54:36 AM EST
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